Lib arist view

Similar to Matt Ridley's ideology (Lib Arisotcrat  used in pre jasonjason9201975 political blog moved from priv view blog)

https://twitter.com/davidsirota/status/1635049578474135552 Matt Ridley)

sources from reddit anarchist and similar leftist subs:

I support outsiders who band together in their individualistic struggle against society and in pursuance of their own curiosity, pride, and instinct against society.

After we rightfully remove all forms and structures of material domination, hierarchy and sovereignty, I would want (and I would others to want) to project positive influence (without hierarchy and authority) in a sweeping influential manner

Novatore's "Libertarian Aristocracy" (Anarchist vanguard) used pergotively by leftists on reddit 2022 toward fellow leftists

I've been thinking quite a bit recently about Novatore's concept of the "libertarian aristocracy" (by which of course, this being Europe and it being 100 years ago, he meant "anarchistic aristocracy" (you owe us a word capitalists!)), and I'm interested in debating with folks about this concept -- (I'm trying to sharpen my thought on the matter).

Certainly on the surface I can see how the idea of an "anarchistic aristocracy" would seem preposterous. What on earth could an aristocrat or aristocracy have to do with anarchism?

But Novatore makes it clear that he does not have in mind a ruler. Rather, he has in mind those individuals with an uncompromising animosity for the authority of today, and who would continue that animosity onto the inevitable attempts by people in a state of resistance to construct new systems of authority. The aristocrats are those willing to stand apart and remain a rebel, even in opposition to yesterday's rebels. Shevek, the main character of LeGuin's The Dispossessed, always comes to my mind as a neatly drawn example of such a person.

To put it into Novatore's words:

Consequently, anarchy, which is the natural liberty of the individual freed from the odious yoke of spiritual and material rulers, is not the construction of a new and suffocating society.’ It is a decisive fight against all societies — christian, democratic, socialist, communist, etc., etc. Anarchism is the eternal struggle of a small minority of aristocratic outsiders against all societies which follow one another on the stage of history.

So that is Novatore's aristocrat.

Perhaps it is because I came to anarchism from Nietzsche, but I've always been quite charmed by this idea. However, I'd be interested in seeing and debating critiques of this position and/or of the constructiveness of Novatore's aristocrat.

revolution is the fire of our will and a need of our solitary minds; it is an obligation of the libertarian aristocracy. To create new ethical values. To create new aesthetic values. To communalize material wealth. To individualize spiritual wealth." Towards the creative nothing Archived  nd adherents to anarcho-communism (Albert Libertad, illegalism and Renzo Novatore).[86] A

It would undermined the power of non-hereditary plutocrats  (communists supported monarchy caz of this reddit)

Nietzsche spoke about a particular conception of aristocracy. And, as Goldman says, it wasn't based on the old aristocracy (Nietzsche specifically rejects what he calls the aristocracy of "the little von"), nor was it an aristocracy based on money. Nietzsche wanted a new aristocracy that would shatter the current values and create new values.

Goldman, Novatore and other anarchists saw their own anarchistic desires and projects as a possible version of doing exactly that -- of destroying the old order, shattering old values, and creating space for the creation of new values based on an uncompromising love of vitality. In short, Goldman and other anarchists identified their own anarchism as a version of Nietzsche's conception of aristocracy, hence you get Goldman here speaking of true anarchists as aristocrats, or you get Novatore talking about his "libertarian aristocracy".

So, she isn't just playing word games, she is rather being sincere, and demonstrating the way Nietzsche importantly influenced how she conceived of her desire and actions for anarchism.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskALiberal/comments/wf8hcv/if_us_politics_is_ever_to_depolarize_we_are_some/?q=libertarian&type=comment So with this libertarian, aristocracy, the terms wouldn't be mutually exclusive. It would have maybe some monarch (like in this and this systems used only as a noble and viable alternative to the crude and materialistic mob mentality of republicanism which can govern over this type of libertarian society). It would be similar to the society that Hermann Hoppe made  in his book Democracy: The God That Failed. 

This would include systems in place to prevent the majority from exercising their rule over the minority. The tension in the US apparatus is retained via the EC (if correctly applied which it currently is not), the House which is dominated by population centers, and the Senate which gives equal representation to each state regardless of population. https://www.reddit.com/r/AskALiberal/comments/wf8hcv/if_us_politics_is_ever_to_depolarize_we_are_some/?q=libertarian&type=comment 

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monarchy

https://archive.ph/cNEFU

Semi constitutional , to become a constitutional monarchy like the UK, elements similar to modern day China's governance , like the modern Democrat party (or something like this and or this). It would be good only if it succeeds in getting set up 

The monarch would have the spirit and thinking that is needed for a monarchy competing with other key  countries like France and powerful military alliances like NATO . Like a combo of Pedro Castillo and William the Conquerer . He'er would have a real base of support and the approval of the pope or any other high religious figure. 

It would be similar to the First Nations in Canada setup pre European settlement (Anarcho monarchism)

Democracy wasn't born by peaceful vote of majority either, but by a swift removal of foreign system and it's supporters - why should people in this system this type of monarchism replaces obey the system that was built up with the idea of stopping us as it's priority. 

If nobody supports him/her, he'er would be overthrown. 

It would only come about against despotic regimes not democracies. It would keep the current EU Democratic system and this Monarch would come from that (keep in mind many democratic countries' constitution was forced upon the people without their consent or will by their conquerors.).  It would be a stable and recognized state otherwise NATO would stop it and make it a democracy again

It would come about if at least half of the country are dissatisfied with the way things are

This government would not have any bigoted or conspiracy fuelled people in it

It would strike a blow against the monied interests that are against such governance. 

This governance would be the opposite of the US's right-wing wacko conspiracy theorism, I

It would be non authoritarian but monarchist . But this good monarch will put his'er foot up your but when you need it,

The government would be civil to prevent radical elements from taking over. The head of this society would represent the majority of the common people, similar to the Bolsheviks.

This system would be centrist and closest to Tridemism 

We do not ACTUALLY know what would come of this

This monarch would have to decide 'who are they really?" And maybe more so "who will likely gain from this?"

With morality too, the plans would be conditionally good, and moral 

The"Revolution" with the populist leaders would need to keep it on a reasonable level.

In long distance intellectual "support", we would really have to wait and see what shook out. And how it was better or worse than the current state.

The real problem is the current state is sketch, but a revolutionary state can be sketch just the same.

The modern day notion of hyper support outside of a meme for complicated factions,certainly far away, is intellectually dishonest. From the Middle East to Russia-Ukraine, there are few heroes and villains and far more "complex messes of confusion" in reality.

Full on Jacobitz (not ndsape but right wing and monarchist neo jacobitz competed with naddzis), Left Strasserists, Crypto fascists, Authoritarian Commies, and ISIS are pretty easily to 2D into villain status, but most others are far more nuanced in reality

It would have Hohenzollern, Hapsburg, Wettin or Wittelsbsch Kaiser. restoration elements to the throne. It also would be a Fourth Political theory (4pt) version of contradictionary anti radicalism 

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https://archive.ph/qmgFp national aristocracy

Right Libertarian Pananarchist Aristocracy (similar to Libertarian Anarchist which i used in my pre main blog blogs)

is a culturally reactionary, David Brooks amended version of this type of anti anti authoritarianism (in link source:tankiejerk used in main blog and tankiejerk without david brooks part) and economically third political position (not third position) ideology.  

The government would be comprised of a body of a Right Libertarian Pananarchist Aristocracy ,called the "Senate", acting as the head of the legislative and executive branches . The Senate would be lead by a person elected for 10 years by members of the Senate.

Meritocracy

When a place in the Senate would become vacant anybody could apply to fill the position. After that there would be a bunch of mental, physical and cognitive competitions and the victor would become a new member of the Right Libertarian Pananarchist Aristocracy

There would be Regulationism

Pro Unions where every company with more than 50 employees would have their own union. Unions would be locked to only one company. To keep union leaders from going against the company interests the union would be funded by a certain portion of the profits(unions would get a portion of the company's stock).

A Right Libertarian Pananarchist Aristocracy supports having a flat income tax. (rush limbaugh youtubue tv show i saw may 2023 mentioned debate of flat income tax or flat tax)

It would use a Distributism system

In a Right Libertarian Pananarchist Aristocracy society married couples with their own land would be given a long term food producing animal(cow, chicken etc.

Right Libertarian Pananarchist Aristocracy would also revive guilds as a de facto union for artisans. Ensuring their pensions, sick leaves, licenses and more.

The government system would stay the same.

The future economy of Right Libertarian Pananarchist Aristocracy would be something like the materialisation economy. By investing into 3D printers etc. this would be achieved.

In a society where the resources would be taken care of by the materialisation economy the society would focus more on innovation, the arts and sciences, bodybuilding etc.